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Posted by: Warkunp on Sep. 30, 2020, 04:01 I am not sure if this website is still being updated and if you are still checking but I wanted to state that I am really surprised and amazed especially about this experiment, recent studies show that Irish people have been immigrated from Anatolia Turkey 5000 years ago and when we compare Turkish to Irish in this experiment the result shows that they had a common ancestor around 3500 BC. Just wanted to share this and I hope you will keep developing this research further, I believe it deserves more credit. The source is not very scientific, but there are actual scientific articles about this. Article from Irishcentral.com
Posted by: Vincent on Sep. 30, 2020, 07:15 Hello, Thank you for your interest. The site has not been updated for a while indeed. The reason is that the research has gone further but the next results will be published in a scientific paper, so I have to keep the new results unpublished until peer review is completed. Here a few considerations about the Irish origin issue as stated in the article: - There are serious hypotheses about the origin of part of the European people in Anatolia - today's Turkey - some of them even viewing Anatolia as the location where all Indo-European originated. Whereas there is no consensus about most of the issues, it is quite sure that at least one migration wave originated from there. In the time the people emigrated from Anatolia to western Europe, the ancestors of today's Turks were much farther east. It is not exactly known where, but the Turkic migration to Anatolia and today's Turkey is appr. 1500 years old. So: if the ancestors of the Irish people migrated from Anatolia, they did so as part of a group which then spread to wider parts of Western Europe, not only Ireland. The other point is that they had no contact with Turkic languages at the time they left the area. - The system you use on my site to query language similarity is an experiment with a large variance in the results. The Irish-Turkish comparison can be seen as a "positive" outlier, which source of potential cognacy signals is due either to chance or can be interpreted as a clue of the common origin of Indo-European languages with the Altaic ones, a hypothesis which is serious but not yet accepted by all (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasiatic_languages). In the frame of this hypothesis, the time of last common contact is somewhere between 10000 and 15000 years BP and is not specific to Turkic-Celtic but much wider. So I think that indeed, The Irish - as many other European people - may have their roots in Anatolia. but their identity at the time was an "ancestor identity" common to other civilisations/cultures - some of them still there, some of them extinct. That identity was not even "Celtic" (yet) at the time, since the Celts started to form as a group about 3000 years BP. Kind regards Vincent

Irish origins

Posted by: Warkunp on Sep. 30, 2020, 04:01

I am not sure if this website is still being updated and if you are still checking but I wanted to state that I am really surprised and amazed especially about this experiment, recent studies show that Irish people have been immigrated from Anatolia Turkey 5000 years ago and when we compare Turkish to Irish in this experiment the result shows that they had a common ancestor around 3500 BC. Just wanted to share this and I hope you will keep developing this research further, I believe it deserves more credit. The source is not very scientific, but there are actual scientific articles about this.
Article from Irishcentral.com

Posted by: Vincent on Sep. 30, 2020, 07:15

Hello,

Thank you for your interest. The site has not been updated for a while indeed. The reason is that the research has gone further but the next results will be published in a scientific paper, so I have to keep the new results unpublished until peer review is completed.

Here a few considerations about the Irish origin issue as stated in the article:

- There are serious hypotheses about the origin of part of the European people in Anatolia - today's Turkey - some of them even viewing Anatolia as the location where all Indo-European originated. Whereas there is no consensus about most of the issues, it is quite sure that at least one migration wave originated from there. In the time the people emigrated from Anatolia to western Europe, the ancestors of today's Turks were much farther east. It is not exactly known where, but the Turkic migration to Anatolia and today's Turkey is appr. 1500 years old. So: if the ancestors of the Irish people migrated from Anatolia, they did so as part of a group which then spread to wider parts of Western Europe, not only Ireland. The other point is that they had no contact with Turkic languages at the time they left the area.
- The system you use on my site to query language similarity is an experiment with a large variance in the results. The Irish-Turkish comparison can be seen as a "positive" outlier, which source of potential cognacy signals is due either to chance or can be interpreted as a clue of the common origin of Indo-European languages with the Altaic ones, a hypothesis which is serious but not yet accepted by all (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasiatic_languages). In the frame of this hypothesis, the time of last common contact is somewhere between 10000 and 15000 years BP and is not specific to Turkic-Celtic but much wider.

So I think that indeed, The Irish - as many other European people - may have their roots in Anatolia. but their identity at the time was an "ancestor identity" common to other civilisations/cultures - some of them still there, some of them extinct. That identity was not even "Celtic" (yet) at the time, since the Celts started to form as a group about 3000 years BP.

Kind regards
Vincent